Educational Archive not in STH

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby lurkio » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:27 pm

billcarr2005 wrote:For the sake of completeness, here is the disk version too...

Thank you! But there's really no need to wait for me to post an inferior tape-to-disc hack before you pull another treasure from the bottomless vault of BillCarr! (I'm just getting a slight feeling of déjà vu, you see...)

Please don't hesitate to upload any other items that we might be missing, educational or otherwise. I'm sure they'd be much appreciated by all.

=D> =D> =D>

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:58 pm

lurkio wrote:
billcarr2005 wrote:For the sake of completeness, here is the disk version too...

Thank you! But there's really no need to wait for me to post an inferior tape-to-disc hack before you pull another treasure from the bottomless vault of BillCarr! (I'm just getting a slight feeling of déjà vu, you see...)

Please don't hesitate to upload any other items that we might be missing, educational or otherwise. I'm sure they'd be much appreciated by all.

=D> =D> =D>


Here, here!. :D
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:54 am

DEVELOPING TRAY

This was a seminal piece of software produced by the Microelectronics in Education Programme (MEP). In its day it was a truly outstanding program and is still valid today with the 'iPad Generation'. It is a pity that it appears to have been 'lost' by teachers in primary schools. #-o

If you don't know the software I suggest you read the pdf in the Docs folder in the attached zip file. Anyone with children will immediately see the value of this program.

It is written entirely in BBC basic, I believe, and so should run on any machine (that is my next project) from the original Beeb right up to the Raspberry Pi. I expect it to run with Richard Russell's excellent BBC basic for Windows so that will open up many more platforms.

BITD this was pushed by the MEP as a free resource to schools so there should be no copyright issues here. :D
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Constellations: Star Chaser (1982 - 1988)

Postby lurkio » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:49 pm

You might like to know that Constellations: Star Chaser for the BBC Micro, by DJ Hemsley and/or RJ Lakeman of South Australia, won the "HIGHLY COMMENDED" award in the Annual Game And Toy Awards at the 1985 International Toy Fair. So show some flippin' respect, will you?!

    Scan 1.jpg

Download:


Play online:


Scan of the documentation that came with the game:


Thanks to BillCarr for cracking the protection on the floppy disc.

:idea:
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:37 am

And this is educational? :shock:

Well BITD I used to use Starcraft in my teaching as a problem solving and modelling case study. :wink: :-
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby OneSwitch » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:50 pm

Have unearthed a batch of interesting educational disks, including some concept keyboard stuff with actual layouts I could scan in. Hope to share more soon.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby CMcDougall » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:38 pm

OneSwitch wrote:Have unearthed a batch of interesting educational disCs ....Hope to share more soon

why did postman pat take from the 4th to today 11th, did his cat Jess walk them up :?
anyways, all of them worked first time! 2 needed a 'push' round, then off they went 8)
oneSwitch Barrie Educ 35Discs 11Dec17.jpg
media

some of the list:
cat33.png
cat33

enjoy:
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:04 pm

Nice haul. :D =D>
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby billcarr2005 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:26 pm

CMcDougall wrote:some of the list:


Was there nothing protected? :?

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby OneSwitch » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:03 am

Brilliant job, Colin. Thank you very much.

Really liked Brickup40T.ssd and JudithStansfield 80T X2.dsd. The reading trainers were quite fun too, using just the SPACE BAR to step through.

Most of them seem to need the Concept Keyboard. I'll dig that out after Christmas. I do have some Concept Keyboard overlays (A4 and A3) which may better illuminate how it works. I've also some more discs, but I didn't want to swamp you.

Agreed re. the post. Unusually slow.

Cheers again!

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby CMcDougall » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:29 pm

^just send them Barrie :) they only take a minute with UPURS5, after setting all the wires /drives up 8) (will box them back up & boomerang them back the morn)
billcarr2005 wrote:Was there nothing protected? :?

no mate, nothing to get your teeth into! :o
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby OneSwitch » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:20 pm

Nice one. Okay, I'll get the rest sent off this week or early next. :)

Cheers!

Barrie

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby CMcDougall » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:24 pm

more, & i mean More :shock: half done already!! :D (Thanks to Martin Barr's UPURS5R rom & cable =D> 8) )
MIA educ 90plus.jpg
90+ discs!

billcarr2005 wrote:nothing protected? :?

found one, just for you...
no bad sectors, hidden CAT, but *INFO shows files, but !BOOT is */ , then haults....
maybe you can find if needs a different setup, tried beeb DFS2.26, & M128 DFS224, but still hangs.... :-k
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby billcarr2005 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:48 pm

!BOOT was reading the sector header from track 0 sector 0 and expecting the head value to be &AB then using this value later on.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby pau1ie » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:19 pm

Just posted The Micro User Educational Special Vol 2 in the archive section

Thanks to Lurkio for the heands up.
I'm working on http://bbcmicro.co.uk

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby CMcDougall » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:43 pm

all discs done now, had a break from them yesterday :P
(only 95 of them, luckily 8 are completly blank!! :lol: )

have sent them all to OneSwitch to sort out , as some may have personnal info etc on them....

only cleaned my drive heads three times! :shock:
only one discs needed 'opened up' so it would then spin without resistance :(

here is my now only one, side2 of this, seems to be CPM,
so what's best for it, or not needed :? side0 so can check if worth it, if so, need my CoPro out.... :x
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby lurkio » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:02 am

CMcDougall wrote:only 95 of them

:shock: =D> =D>

CMcDougall wrote:side2 of this, seems to be CPM, so what's best for it, or not needed :?
side0 so can check if worth it, if so, need my CoPro out.... :x MAPE tape4 CPM.jpg

The CPM side seems interesting to me -- haven't the faintest idea what's on it, mind, but am intrigued!

Any other "MAPE tape" discs -- number 5 or higher? Am after the elusive Part 2 of Magic Telephone!

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:33 am

Mape 4 is actually MIA from my archive as is Map 1, come to think of it.

This is an unusual disc but, given the time frame when it was published, 380Z/480Z and BBC micro were the two most popular computer systems in schools. Images of both would be very useful. I am sure OmniFlop can image the disc if anyone has 5.25" discs fitted to an OmniFlop computer.

The 480Z version would have to be written in RML BASIC, which is different from BBC BASIC, and so this side may not run in the Z80 second processor under CP/M.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby danielj » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:47 am

It won't but it should be archived as there's not much RM480Z software out there. If you get stuck with it, I can do it and work out the format.

It's likely to be one of:
"380Z MDS or 480Z SD: 40 track, single density, 16x128 (track 0-2 for CP/M, track 3 is the directory, 72k data)
480Z MD: 40 track, double density, 9x512
480Z MQ: 80 track, "quad density" (?), 9x512"

UPURS won't be able to do it as none of those are like beeb format (SD 10x256)

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby lurkio » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:17 pm

flaxcottage wrote:Mape 4 is actually MIA from my archive

The BBC Micro side of the "MAPE Tape 4" disc was uploaded by poink in 2016 (as well as by Col, above). See the following thread:

:idea:

Anyone got MAPE Tape 5 or higher?

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:02 pm

You know if I could read I'd be quite smart! :oops: :lol:
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby CMcDougall » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:18 pm

^ maybe you should play the discs :lol: my daughters liked the one where you shoot numbers 8)

I have a few PC drives in another house, but they don't read DFS , probably due to the FDC in the PCs are crap :x
Will give a go sometime.... If none work then off to Daniel..

The lost telephone2 , that rings a bell :lol: :roll:
I seen it on one of the 90 discs, will up that later if not part1 :?
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby CMcDougall » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:04 pm

me wrote:The lost telephone2 , will up that later if not part1 :?

just checked all of them again, and it's the disc I upped above, Tape4 :(

the other ones are Stylus1 ( a word processor?) ,
ESP on a flippy disc with SampleFiles on side'B', but looks like needs a 'input' on User port :?

below for a look:
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby OneSwitch » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:41 pm

Colin's done an amazing job converting the stash of educational discs. Thanks so much.

I'll slowly get the stuff sifted through. Meanwhile, the attached file has the most amazing list/database of Special Education software. I've only been able to view it via Notepad++ on a PC. Does anyone have any ideas of how this might be viewed on a BBC?

I've found some adventure games in here. Some stuff with speech. Quite a few curiosities.

Cheers,

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby CMcDougall » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:05 pm

Evening Barrie,
if you load WordWise Plus rom image into your emulator /beeb, then do *W.
this get you into word, then *. to see CAT, then 2 from menu to load a file, ie BR1.1
then press ESCAPE to view :shock:

the above works, but could also be EDWORD2 rom image, which is on one of the discs too, but I never used it BITD
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby CMcDougall » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:39 pm

found 4 x 31/2" more at bottom of bag, they went into OmniFlop no problem, Acorn 800k ADF
work on Arculator09a in drive0, can move to the 32bit part of forum... you can decide! :?
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SetupDisc for DyslexiaProject A5000s
RISC OS3 PrinterDrivers HPdeskjet500C
StartWrite2-IconTech1994
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby OneSwitch » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:53 pm

It's taken a while, but here's a huge pile of educational bits and bobs to add to the list.

I've tried to sift them into folders of type. I've not included quite a lot of very interesting (to me anyway) word processor documents mostly from 1989. There are one or two that I will add later, as one had a massive list of educational software linking to the Blue File / SEMERCs and beyond.

Something I was really interested to find out about was the "COMPAID (£6.00) - an on-screen keyboard emulator that will make WORDWISE etc. work with one or two specialised switches."

Don't suppose anyone has such software?

Anyway, thanks hugely to Colin McDougall's brilliant work preserving these. Hopefully there'll be something of interest here for others. I will look (when I have time) more deeply into the reams of Concept Keyboard overlays, and scanning some of the more interesting ones.

Thanks again.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:57 pm

Great, thanks.

There are quite a few MIA titles in there. Now to investigate what is in the archive. :D

There are not enough hours in the day for everything that I want to do. :?
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby CMcDougall » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:08 am

OneSwitch wrote:Thanks again.

no problem at all Barrie, glad to sort/archive before they 'turn to dust' :D

have put your email request for SupaStore 2.0S -ESM rom & 2discs here:
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=14367#p191302

will answer other Q's in a mo....
EDIT: that should now play your "SP ED Software Datbase-SUPASTORE dataDisc Mar87" disc :wink:
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby OneSwitch » Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:31 pm

Amazing stuff. Via that last batch of discs, I've found the SEMERC database of Special Educational Needs software dating to the 13th of Feb 1987. It has a gigantic list of software that was available through the SEMERCs (Special Educational Needs focused) including tons of Blue File stuff.

Special-Education-Software-.gif


More details on getting this working here: http://stardot.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=14367#p191302.

If you sort in numerical order, you'll be able to see the time-line of how stuff was added, perhaps dating back to 1982.
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