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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby paulv » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:05 pm

Here's a couple of Brilliant Computing manuals all OCR'd up...

Katie's Garden (title MIA)

and

Joystick Games 1 (also MIA)

Paul
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby gazj82 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:14 pm

Is there a ftp or rsync mirror that the currently archived files can be downloaded?

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:42 pm

gazj82 wrote:Is there a ftp or rsync mirror that the currently archived files can be downloaded?


Not yet but it is being investigated. :)
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:32 pm

paulv wrote:Here's a couple of Brilliant Computing manuals all OCR'd up...

Katie's Garden (title MIA)

and

Joystick Games 1 (also MIA)

Paul


Nice, thanks Paul. You wouldn't have the software too by any chance?
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby paulv » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:53 pm

flaxcottage wrote:
paulv wrote:Here's a couple of Brilliant Computing manuals all OCR'd up...

Katie's Garden (title MIA)

and

Joystick Games 1 (also MIA)

Paul


Nice, thanks Paul. You wouldn't have the software too by any chance?


Sadly, they're missing in action AFAIK.

However, between OneSwitch and I, we've got quite a bit of Brilliant Computing's catalog all archived...

I've got two more manuals to scan for Touch Games and Touch Funfair...

I've put everything on my site for now as they mostly need the Microvitec Touchtech 501.

I do have one Brilliant Computing SSD that needs the concept keyboard too but I can't test that and I've not uploaded it anywhere yet...

BeebEm quite happily lets me test all the touch screen software by turning the mouse pointer into your finger which is a neat way of making things work.

Not sure how to test the concept keyboard software without one as it just hangs looking for the keyboard....

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby paulv » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:05 am

More MIA Touchtech compatible titles....

This time from "The Research Centre" which is attached to the University of Birmingham.

RCEVH
School of Education
University of Birmingham
Edgbaston, Birmingham B15 2TT

Just Touch - found
Touch and Paint - found

Touch it
Directions - accessible Joystick games

Touch and Match (2 titles called this)

In December 1986, this article says there are 12 discs so there's at least another six titles that are unknown and MIA...

Although.... It looks like some title's may be an the Acorn Electron World DVD on Master Games #6 and #7.

The missing titles contain exercises in visual matching, visual memory and visual discrimination. They cover colour, shape, size, characters, words and patterns.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:57 am

That's great, Paul, thanks.

In return I shall post the following for you.

I have been ploughing my way through 100s of 5.25" floppies passed to me by Arcadian. There were a number of Microvitec touch screen titles and several by Brilliant Computing. The Brilliant titles I 'rescued' were:

Story writer - Brilliant computing
LGI Switch on - Brilliant computing
Ted's Adventures - Brilliant computing
Touch games 1 - Brilliant computing
Spot on games - Brilliant computing
Brilliant Computing - Touch Games 2

The attached zip file contains some more touch-screen titles that I haven't tested yet.
Touch stuff.zip
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Cheers,


PS:

Just checked your site and you have most of these. :? Still they may be different editions. Story Writer needs a concept keyboard.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby gazj82 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:38 am

flaxcottage wrote:
gazj82 wrote:Is there a ftp or rsync mirror that the currently archived files can be downloaded?


Not yet but it is being investigated. :)


That's great news, I rarely use my Beeb for gaming, but my kids use it quite a lot with educational software, access to educational software all in one place would be great.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby paulv » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:06 am

flaxcottage wrote:The Brilliant titles I 'rescued' were:

Story writer - Brilliant computing
LGI Switch on - Brilliant computing
Ted's Adventures - Brilliant computing
Touch games 1 - Brilliant computing
Spot on games - Brilliant computing
Brilliant Computing - Touch Games 2

The attached zip file contains some more touch-screen titles that I haven't tested yet.

PS:

Just checked your site and you have most of these. :? Still they may be different editions. Story Writer needs a concept keyboard.


Yes, there's quite a lot of overlap although as you say, there may be different editions of the same programs. It looks like "Touch Funfair" was ported to Windows many moons ago http://www.inclusive.co.uk/touch-funfair-p2375

Story Writer is one we don't seem to have unless it's the one with Farm, Zoo, Shopping and Town Centre on the disc. Although this one says "Graphics and Written Stories". I can't test due to lack of a concept keyboard...

In the zip file is one of the "unknown" missing RCEVH titles is there... Touch and Paint so that's a great find for the day :D

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby paulv » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:23 pm

I've now sorted, tested and categorised all the ssd's...

After sorting them out I've zipped the previous files into supported hardware and then sub divided by publisher...

Concept Keyboard - Brilliant Computing

Graphics and Written Stories
Time For Work 1 - 1989

Switch Pads - Brilliant Computing

Pad Switch Games - 1986
The Get Fit Set - 1988 (The Wii Fit of its day!)

Microvitec Touchtech 501 - Brilliant Computing

First Steps - 1986
LGI Switch On Picture Building - 1986
Touch Games 1 - 1987
LGI Switch On Travel - 1988
Spot On Games - 1988
Ted's Adventures - 1988
Touch Games 2 - 1988
Touch Funfair - 1990
Path Finder - 1990

Microvitec Touchtech 501 - RCEVH

Just Touch - 1985
Touch and Paint 1 - 1987

Some of these have been posted before/earlier, others not.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby paulv » Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:49 pm

cowboystyle wrote:Actually this topic might be the best place for me to ask this > viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9816

Looking for an educational game I played at School in the early 90s - taught you how to to get dressed / order to get dressed. From what I remember you had an outline mannequin and you pressed keys to put on vests, pants, socks etc, and you had to do it in the right order. I have no idea if it was part of a larger software title and can't remember anything else about it - Any idea what it could be?!


On the Touch Games 2 disc there's a game called "BITS AND PIECES"

In BITS AND PIECES there are four mini-games.

One of them is "Getting Dressed". Bits and pieces is described as:

BITS AND PIECES
This program has 4 games, in which parts of a picture are
missing and must be put in by the user.

In "Ugly Mug", a blank face is shown, with ‘X’ markers
where the facial features (eyes, nose etc.) should be. A
feature appears in a small box above and the user must touch
the right ‘X’ to put the feature in its place. lf the user touches
the wrong ‘X’ the computer just gives a ‘bleep’ noise. When
the face is completed, a reward is given.

Option:

"Choose a game". The 4 games and their missing features are:

Ugly Mug (2 eyes, 2 ears, nose, mouth);

Spotty Dog (ears, eye, collar, front legs, back legs,
tail);

Getting Dressed (hat, coat, 2 mittens, trousers, boots);

Dream Cottage (roof, door, 2 windows, flowers, garden gate).


Paul

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby paulv » Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:52 pm

And now....

A couple more scanned manuals, all OCR'd and ready to go :D

These two are the last two manuals I have for Brilliant Computing titles.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby OneSwitch » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:49 pm

Great work, fellas. Re. the Birmingham Uni stuff, I think I have all 12 disks here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/y4x4dmd1952btco/AABZmikF0d8xqQcraDjHBnFga?dl=0

Re. the hardware, quite a lot of those disks will work on a range of hardware (touch-screen, switch, keyboard).

I have a SSD card reader and Concept Keyboard, so happy to test anything out if needed. I'm a bit slow, but can get around to things eventually.

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Postby paulv » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:08 pm

OneSwitch wrote:Great work, fellas. Re. the Birmingham Uni stuff, I think I have all 12 disks here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/y4x4dmd1952btco/AABZmikF0d8xqQcraDjHBnFga?dl=0

That's great.

It seems that there are more than 12 discs from what I've read now.

There's reference to "Touch'n'Listen" in the Hybrid 5000 sales leaflet

Also there's mention of "Touch'n'Match" discs 1 & 2 that I read about somewhere which seem to be distinct from the Match discs you have in your Dropbox archive as those ones are not touch screen enabled :(

But still, to have that many accessibility titles in one place all present and correct is fantastic!! =D> :D =D>

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby OneSwitch » Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:50 am

:) That would have been a very nice bit of kit to have in a Snoezelen/Sensory Room. Probably still would be for some.

I'm guessing that The Hybrid 6000 went on to at least influence the Midi-Creator and Sound Beam, also used in Special Needs settings. Very similar technology. That sensor/emitter was very high-pitched clicky from memory. I must have had bat-hearing at the time.



Here's a bit from the 1990 Brilliant Computing catalogue with the Touch Screen, including a table allowing you to mount the system so the screen points up at the sky:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b8135rjbeax7one/AACjYwSwPvT36jP08OWEiDJ8a?dl=0

From my side, there's four titles I'm really keen to track down:

1. Derek Harrison’s “Compact (BIMH) programs”, which are mentioned in quite a few places as being part of the SEMERC "Blue File".

and any/all of these Brilliant Computing titles (mentioned in the catalogue):

2. Arcade Adventures
3. Arcade Challenge
4. Breaktime Games.


5. (I lied there's always more) - The Brilliant Computing VHS Video showcasing how their stuff worked.
6. The Single Switch Education Program
7. Alan Nixon's Special Care software
8. Jack Bate's single switch programs
9. SSE Wipe


See Tim Southgate's https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/wiley/microcomputer-software-aids-to-communication-tIWt0CvxSA British Journal of Special Education, Volume 12, No.4 (December 1985) for a bit more on this.

One day maybe!

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby paulv » Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:19 pm

OneSwitch wrote:I'm guessing that The Hybrid 6000 went on to at least influence the Midi-Creator and Sound Beam, also used in Special Needs settings. Very similar technology. That sensor/emitter was very high-pitched clicky from memory. I must have had bat-hearing at the time.


It certainly looks like similar if not the same technology. The Hybrid 6000 ticks away and personally, makes my hair stand on end a bit although that apparently varies from person to person.

OneSwitch wrote:See Tim Southgate's https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/wiley/microcomputer-software-aids-to-communication-tIWt0CvxSA British Journal of Special Education, Volume 12, No.4 (December 1985) for a bit more on this.


I've stitched those images together, converted it into a PDF and OCR'd it so it's now a proper online document as opposed to four png files...

If you're interested, from the same source, there's also an article about using a Touch sensitive screen by Paul Blenkhorn from the RCEVH which mentions the Touchtech 501 and some of their titles that I've noted as being MIA.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby OneSwitch » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:59 am

Nice one, Paul. Many thanks. I'm hoping to pick up a MicroMike soon too. If I can pick up a few, I'll send one over to you if you like.

All the best,

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:32 pm

Found a few more touch screen programs from Lancashire Schools IT Centre.
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Some 19 disks in total and they all seem to be MIA. :)
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby paulv » Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:39 pm

Very cool, I'll check some of them out over the weekend :D

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby OneSwitch » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:33 am

Great finds!

The Brimble Hill School stuff is really good for the time.

The Early Fingers stuff didn't work properly with BeebEm for me. Yet to carry across to my real BBC Micro and Touch Screen.

Nice bit of preservation there backing these up. :)

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby paulv » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:41 am

OneSwitch wrote:Great finds!

The Brimble Hill School stuff is really good for the time.

The Early Fingers stuff didn't work properly with BeebEm for me. Yet to carry across to my real BBC Micro and Touch Screen.

Nice bit of preservation there backing these up. :)


That's exactly what I found! I suspect the early fingers stuff is using the streaming modes of the Touchtech which may be confusing BeebEm.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:14 am

I've been busy on the archiving front. :D

Here is the latest Educational Archive listing in CSV format.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby duikkie » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:01 am

do you have all SSD files on 1 BEEBxxxx.MMB file ?


flaxcottage wrote:I've been busy on the archiving front. :D

Here is the latest Educational Archive listing in CSV format.
EducArchive815.csv

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Amazing Ollie - Storm Software

Postby stevelanc » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:36 pm

Hi all

I have this title on a cassette (original).

If anyone can convert it to a SSD image I am happy to send the tape on.

PM me if you can help.

Cheers

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:05 pm

duikkie wrote:do you have all SSD files on 1 BEEBxxxx.MMB file ?


Sorry duikkie, I missed this post. I am afraid not. My archive is made up of separate disk images.
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Re: Amazing Ollie - Storm Software

Postby flaxcottage » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:06 pm

stevelanc wrote:Hi all

I have this title on a cassette (original).

If anyone can convert it to a SSD image I am happy to send the tape on.

PM me if you can help.

Cheers

Steve

I think that this is one for cmcdougal :lol:
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Re: Amazing Ollie - Storm Software

Postby CMcDougall » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:03 pm

^ two LL's :roll: FFS [-X Jony Cotager :lol:
stevelanc wrote:If anyone can convert it to a SSD image I am happy to send the tape on

sent PM with info, hope you receive it with my email and postal addy 8)
Welcome Steve :D
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby CMcDougall » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:17 pm

cheers Steve, got today, so I can now throw it out the back window onto the rest of the large pile :lol:
It was in stereo, right channel half volume of left, but only recorded on one side of tape, so only had one chance.
.....So here it is Amazing Ollie - Storm Software 1983 :
Amazing ollieA.jpg
instA

Amazing ollieB.jpg
instB

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby flaxcottage » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:43 pm

Thanks, Col. You are a star. =D>
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Postby CMcDougall » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:16 pm

^no probs John 8)
Got this the other day (with other 10+ things that go for LOL price £15+ each :roll: ), had a look through your .CSV list and you have it in .UEF, but can't work out from list if it needs to be scanned?
Fun School 2 - Database
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hopefully it is, so I can throw it out back window! :lol:
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