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Scope recommendations

Postby Bagpuss » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:15 am

Hi All,

I've come to the conclusion that I'm never going to fix the faults in my remaining Beebs without a scope.
I had a quick chat with Mark@Retroclinic (thanks for your time, Mark. Much appeciated.), but I don't think I can reasonably justify the expense for a Tektronix or Keysight model.

My current front runner is the Rigol DS1054Z. From what I can see, this can be hacked to get all of the advanced features and 100MHz capability. There also seems to be a thriving community creating addon software modules.

Are there any other models I should be considering? Budget is up to £400.
Also, can anyone recommend a reliable reseller to actually buy from?

Thanks,

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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby 1024MAK » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:26 pm

In early 2015 I bought a Rigol DS1052D (2 channel MSO with 50 MHz bandwidth, 1 GSa/s, 1 Mpts memory and 16 channel logic analyzer) from Batronix.com

Quick efficient service :D

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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby cmorley » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:54 pm

I bought a 1054Z from https://www.rigol-uk.co.uk/ a couple of years ago and have been very happy with it.

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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby fordp » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:29 pm

I have a Hantek MSO5102D which has a good spec for the cash. It is by no means up to professional standard ones I use at work but I only use it every now and then!
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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby RobC » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:02 pm

I bought my Rigol from Batronix and didn't have any issues.

I used to have an old Tek that was an eBay bargain and great for Beebs (but not very portable).

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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby Prime » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:16 pm

I have both the Rigol DS1052 and later upgraded / complemented it with the Rigol DS1054, both have been execellent and would recommend them. I have both hacked to 100MHz, and both seem to perform ok.

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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby jonb » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:56 pm

I went through the same process as you and bought the Rigol 1054Z, again from Batronix.

I'm a newbie to 'scopes but as far as I am concerned it is the biz. Especially after applying the "hack" and considering its relatively low price, I think you cannot go wrong. The feature list (post hack) is amazing. I didn't know this at the time but it can even decode RS-232 signals (which would've been handy when I was debugging the P2000C's serial line with Hoglet).

The Rigol 1054Z is an oscilloscope purchased without regret.

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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby Bat » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:42 pm

Hi,
What sort of spec do your need for this type of work?
Dual trace?
50mhz?
Cheers :)

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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby 1024MAK » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:26 pm

Minimum spec is dual channel type (with external trigger input), bandwidth at least 25MHz (if analogue, a bit higher if digital). If digital, watch out also for the sampling rate and sample memory size.

Keep in mind that an inexpensive logic analyser may be more useful for a lot of fault finding on a 1980s computer.

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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby KenLowe » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:37 pm

I was recently given a new Rigol DS1054Z (as a birthday pressie :D) which I've subsequently 'fully expanded'. It replaced my old (ancient?) 2 channel 20Mhz CRT based scope. I've not used any other scopes in recent years to be able to make a useful comparison, but I must admit, the Rigol DS1054Z has been quite impressive, and has able to do everything I've asked of it.

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Postby daveejhitchins » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:31 pm

@Bagpuss

Just in case you missed my pm - I still have the 'scope listed here.

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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby Bagpuss » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:32 am

Thanks for all feedback. Much appreciated. :D
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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby boba » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:19 pm

I too have a Rigol DS1054Z upgraded (hacked ;) ) as usual to the full spec. and a Fluke (Phillips?) PM3084 analogue 'scope. The Rigol is excellent but the lack of individual controls for the different channels and forever squinting at the tiny screen writing is a real irritation. The PM3084 is getting on a bit now and takes up a lot more space on the bench but it's much quicker and easier to use. User interface is just as important as feature richness.

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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby jonb » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:25 pm

"And, of course, when Bagpuss gets his 'scope out, all his friends do, too!"

Good point on the user interface, boba, it can be a little bit annoying but what a 'scope.

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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby eXne » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:54 pm

I use the Siglent SDS1102X, 100MHz, dual channel scope.
As an option I have decoding I2C, SPI, UART's.
Also it offers a 16bit MSO, which is a 16bit logic analyser as an option.
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Re: Scope recommendations

Postby Bagpuss » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:01 am

Been meaning to update on this, but currently got some personal issues going on, so not been around.
Went with the Rigol 1054Z, as Rigol-UK (aka Telonic) offered me a reasonable discount.
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