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Embedding YouTube videos

Postby MartinB » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:56 am

For some reason, many forum embedded YT videos now suddenly aren't working (I'm using Win 7 + Chrome), including ones that have been there and been fine for years - I can only assume, as I alluded to the other day, that the YT management have been doing 'stuff' again :roll:. I had a quick trawl around and it looks like for many forums, the site admins embody some phbb code (he said, using terms he doesn't understand) which introduces a new YT embedding tag such that simple folk like me can just use something like [youtube]WZuOvurBYvs[/youtube].

Two questions then for the colourful Stardot adminerpromoderators...

1) Why have existing embedded videos stopped working? (or is it just me... :-k )

and...

2) Could we have a new easy video embedding tag?

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby MartinB » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:26 pm

Could someone (anyone) at least confirm or otherwise that the embedded videos have stopped working....?

e.g. here....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7393&start=270#p144363

or here....

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3114#p25505

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby 1024MAK » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:38 pm

MartinB wrote:Could someone (anyone) at least confirm or otherwise that the embedded videos have stopped working....?

e.g. here....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7393&start=270#p144363

I get this:-
image.jpeg
...on an iPad mini :(


MartinB wrote:or here....

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3114#p25505

But this one works okay on an iPad mini.

I will try on my Linux PC running Firefox shortly...

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby MartinB » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:58 pm

Thanks Mark - I don't understand that message, the video is set to 'Public' and is no different to any other I've posted. Indeed, that one was working after I sorted the publishing (having fought the terrible YT/Google forced merger :evil:) but then it just stopped. I only see a black rectangle on here, the video pays fine on YT itself.... :?

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby 1024MAK » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:15 pm

MartinB wrote:Could someone (anyone) at least confirm or otherwise that the embedded videos have stopped working....?

e.g. here....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7393&start=270#p144363

or here....

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3114#p25505

On my Linux PC using Firefox, both play okay :D

I can try my Windows 10 laptop (running Firefox) tomorrow evening if you want.

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby 1024MAK » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:19 pm

MartinB wrote:Could someone (anyone) at least confirm or otherwise that the embedded videos have stopped working....?

e.g. here....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7393&start=270#p144363

Now it works on an iPad mini...

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby MartinB » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:29 pm

I've just dug around the YT site for the last ten minutes and found an 'Allow Embedding' checkbox for the latest (Master Eeprom) video which I ticked (never had to before :evil: :roll: ) so maybe that's helped your iPad Mini but not me sadly... :(

So yes please Mark, a Win 10 check would be good... :)

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby roland » Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:46 am

MartinB wrote:Could someone (anyone) at least confirm or otherwise that the embedded videos have stopped working....?

e.g. here....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7393&start=270#p144363

or here....

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3114#p25505


It works for me on an old iPad3.

Edit: also tested with Firefox on a Mac. But Both Safari and Chrome fail. That's why I prefer Firefox :mrgreen:
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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby tricky » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:26 am

On windows 7, neither work with the latest release version of Chrome (52.0.2743.116 m), but both work fine in Firefox 47.0.
Chrome have also disabled the BACKSPACE key takes you back a page, so I will probably swap to FireFox anyway.

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby MartinB » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:44 am

Ah, ok, thanks tricky - sounds like a Chrome (or Chrome + Win 7) issue then... :roll:

I'll have to figure that one out for myself I suppose since other 'can't leave well alone' agencies seem to have fixed what isn't broken and broken it in the process :evil:

So, admin (etc etc etc) team, back just to question 2 then....

I wrote:2) Could we have a new easy video embedding tag?

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby tricky » Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:38 am

Doing some more checking, this seems to be a common problem with Chrome v52.
They seem to work on Chrome Canary, their bleeding edge browser (but you'll still need a plugin for backspace goes back).

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby daveejhitchins » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:15 am

MartinB wrote:Could someone (anyone) at least confirm or otherwise that the embedded videos have stopped working....?

e.g. here....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7393&start=270#p144363

or here....

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3114#p25505
They're both working for me on my iPad mini tied to my phone.

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby sorvad » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:34 pm

tricky wrote:Chrome have also disabled the BACKSPACE key takes you back a page, so I will probably swap to FireFox anyway.


Bit sidetracking but that's one feature I've always hated and glad to see the back of it, now if only other browsers would follow suit. Amazing how one persons essential is anothers PITA.

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby 1024MAK » Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:56 pm

I can confirm that the videos in both links play okay on my Windows 10 laptop (running Firefox) :D

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby MartinB » Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:28 am

Thanks Mark and everyone else for the input. The issue seems then definitely seems to be Chrome v52 with Win 7 but I do like both (Chrome particularly because it isn't bloated for simple browsing and doesn't trash less capable machines) so I'll report the issue and find work-rounds for viewing videos until they (hopefully) fix it... :roll:

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby richardtoohey » Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:32 am

I haven't read the thread thoroughly :oops: but it's not to do with Flash vs HTML5 videos is it? I read that Google/Chrome were steadily dropping Flash support. Could be utter red herring.

EDIT: smelly fish alert, yes, it's proposed for the next version of Chrome:

https://games.slashdot.org/story/16/08/ ... next-month

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby Commie_User » Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:35 pm

[youtube]WZuOvurBYvs[/youtube]

I didn't even know you could embed. And where you possibly coould, I don't understand what it's talking about.



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(2.65 KiB) Not downloaded yet


And I thought that picture would come up as well. Whatever.

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby 1024MAK » Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:51 pm

To embed a YouTube video on this forum, you have to use a format like this:-

Code: Select all

[flash=425,344]http://www.youtube.com/v/Br7V09v7lCk&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]

The "flash" tags are available via the button above the edit box.

Pictures and Images

For some unknown reason, if the picture or image is small, the forum doesn't like to produce a thumbnail / preview picture :(

Upload it first in the normal way using the attachments tab.

Use preview. Then if no image appears, link to your uploaded file using the "Img" tag. You can get the link by right-clicking the highlighted link. Once you have a copy of the URL, paste that back into the [img] link. So something like this:

Code: Select all

[img]http://stardot.org.uk/forums/download/file.php?id=24049[/img]


It will then display like this:-
Image

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby MartinB » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:06 pm

Mark wrote:If this happens, link to it using

You need to explain though that you have to upload it first, preview, right-click to copy the URL and then paste that back into the [img] link.

Are all these painful quirks the same for all phpBB-powered forums or is it just us...?

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby 1024MAK » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:20 pm

MartinB wrote:
Mark wrote:If this happens, link to it using

You need to explain though that you have to upload it first, preview, right-click to copy the URL and then paste that back into the [img] link.

Point taken #-o [Edit: I have reworded my earlier post]

MartinB wrote:Are all these painful quirks the same for all phpBB-powered forums or is it just us...?

Err, some non-phpBB forums don't even have uploads...

The other phpBB-powered forums that I visit tend to have lower numbers of allowed attachments, and/or smaller allowed file sizes :( But, I can't remember if I have problems with small pictures/images. So either it does not happen, I have forgotten, or I have not tried posting small pictures/images.

For phpBB-powered forums, I suspect that the embedded video is the same, where it is allowed. But a lot of forums have it disabled. On one of the non-phpBB forums, embedded videos is much easier.

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby BigEd » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:48 pm

Here's my usual tactic: embed the photo from YouTube as an Img and then make that a URL. Like this:
Image

What you don't get is the 'play triangle'

If I'm feeling extra helpful I'll add the title as a URL too:
Eeprom V4 Utilities

I get the photo URL by right clicking the thumbnail in my YouTube history.

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby 1024MAK » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:50 pm

Sinclair ZX World - small pictures upload works okay. Embedded YouTube videos not allowed.
Memorum - small pictures upload works okay. Embedded YouTube videos not allowed.
The Sinclair QL forum - small pictures upload works okay. Embedded YouTube videos not allowed.
Atari-Forum - small pictures upload works okay. Embedded YouTube videos not allowed.
http://forum.6502.org - small pictures upload works okay. Embedded YouTube videos not allowed.
http://anycpu.org forum - small pictures upload works okay. Embedded YouTube videos not allowed.

It should be noted that some large pictures don't always display correctly on one or more of these phpBB forums :(.

Other forums, that don't use phpBB forum software:-
World of Spectrum forums - no uploads possible. Easier to embed YouTube videos. Pictures and images are linked to, then auto-size. It's easy to add the link. However, the editor box has a number of quirks :(.
CPC Wiki forum - not checked yet... The edit box on this forum does not work correctly when using mobile phones and iPad mini devices :(

Edit: updated 2016-08-19 19:34

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby 1024MAK » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:53 pm

BigEd wrote:Here's my usual tactic: embed the photo from YouTube as an Img and then make that a URL. Like this:
Image

What you don't get is the 'play triangle'

If I'm feeling extra helpful I'll add the title as a URL too:
Eeprom V4 Utilities

I get the photo URL by right clicking the thumbnail in my YouTube history.

Nice :D =D>

Maybe you can let us know about http://forum.6502.org?

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby BigEd » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:55 pm

I do the same over there - I wasn't aware there was (sometimes) a different way to do it.

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby MartinB » Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:18 pm

That looks good Ed, I'll give it a whirl... =D> :D

Mark - please don't bust a gut analysing other sites on my account! If we have to live with the small pictures quirk then so be it. I do tend to post a lot of pics and videos and so notice any difficulties - I just wondered if it could be improved with some back-room magic... 8)

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby 1024MAK » Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:33 pm

Added some more to the post above. Keep in mind that StarDot does not use the default settings. I suspect the other phpBB forums that I list, that I am a member of, are using the default settings. So pictures and images appear like they use to in StarDot (in a "image" box), before the then admins changed the picture settings to allow pages to load faster on mobile devices / people on poor connections.

StarDot does appear to have a lot more pictures uploaded compared to these other phpBB forums.

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby BigEd » Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:55 am

I'd be wary of doing anything too flash-specific, as the format is being deprecated. Video channels are moving to HTML5.

Then again, my own tactic of deep-linking to preview images from video sites might well backfire if they change their site organisation.

In the meantime, I notice that some videos allow for a larger preview with a more obvious URL:

27c3: Reverse Engineering the MOS 6502 CPU (en) - YouTube
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The Intriguing 6502 Microprocessor! - YouTube
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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby MartinB » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:37 am

I don't know what's changed but video embedding is working normally again so I can see the preview stills in Chrome under Win 7 ! :shock: :D

I'd like to think that someone somewhere at Google or Microsoft responded to my Victor Meldrew sounding off but I guess it's more likely to be a coincidence... :roll: :)

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby tricky » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:23 am

I doubt it was my specific request, but I asked for an official Google extension to restore backspace goes back as there were a couple of non Google ones and two days later, there it was - now we have an official choice whether to bib or not.

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Re: Embedding YouTube videos

Postby 1024MAK » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:43 am

For those confused by Tricky's post:-
tricky wrote:I doubt it was my specific request, but I asked for an official Google extension to restore backspace goes back as there were a couple of non Google ones and two days later, there it was - now we have an official choice whether to bib or not.
I *think* he is talking about this problem:-
tricky wrote:On windows 7, neither work with the latest release version of Chrome (52.0.2743.116 m), but both work fine in Firefox 47.0.
Chrome have also disabled the BACKSPACE key takes you back a page, so I will probably swap to FireFox anyway.

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