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Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby Black Background » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:22 am

Hi there, been very much enjoying the "Complete BBC Games Archive" but I have one issue with the site

After while, the white background colour of the site really begins to hurt my eyes! Is there any way I can view the games with a black background, or alternatively make the games "full screen" when played in the browser?

apart from this, brilliant site, congrats to all involved.

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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby leenew » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:21 am

Hi
Welcome to the forum Black Background. ☺
I love your username, it totally suits your enquiry!
I quite like the white background and I probably look at the site more than any other human :shock:
I shall ask Paul if it is possible to choose a black background or (my favourite) a grey wallpaper with images of beeb game characters... :D
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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby Black Background » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:04 pm

ps I have one other question. I was surprised that I couldn't find the programs that were included on the BBC "Welcome" cassette on the site...are these games not on the site, or did I look in the wrong place?

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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby vanekp » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:23 pm

no it's not on the Archive list but you can load games for the STH site using Jsbeeb and here is the welcome tapehttps://bbc.godbolt.org/?tape=sth%3Aleisure%2FAcornsoft%2FWelcome_B.zip# does not appear to be a disc version of it on STH.
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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby leenew » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:58 pm

Eek! I think that is an oversight by me :oops:
I agree the welcome cassette games should be on there.
Normally I would do that right away, but we have a slight issue with adding new games at the moment, so I will just say "I will do it as soon as possible"... :D

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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby pau1ie » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:16 pm

Sorry, I broke adding games. That is fixed now.
Aqua Attack from the Master welcome disc is on the site, so that is the main thing :)

To the main question, I am happy to change the site. The main issue for you seems to be the play screen. I have darkened that in the hope that that helps you, though that does mean it doesn't fit in as well with the rest of the site. What does everyone think?

I don't think I am happy to let the user select from a list of styles though because it adds complexity for little benefit. How do you cope with say the BBC website, which also has a white background? When I asked in the past people were quite forceful in their approval of the sites rather minimalist styling.

Regarding Lees suggestion, again I am happy to apply the image to the website. But I have no artistic talent, so I am not able to create it. Also, would there be any copyright/trademark issues?
I'm working on http://bbcmicro.co.uk

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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby lurkio » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:45 pm

pau1ie wrote:The main issue for you seems to be the play screen. I have darkened that in the hope that that helps you, though that does mean it doesn't fit in as well with the rest of the site. What does everyone think? ... When I asked in the past people were quite forceful in their approval of the sites rather minimalist styling.

Yes, I was one of those people! And, given that there was, as you say, a consensus that was arrived at by a number of Stardot users -- that we should stick with a minimalist design, including the plain white background -- I'm slightly surprised to find that a change-request that kind of came out of the blue has been rapidly implemented!

But perhaps you're just trying the new background out, in order to canvas other people's opinions on it? In which case, I'd say that, to me, the darker background doesn't really seem to fit in with the plain-white "theme" of the backgrounds of all the other types of pages on the site. But I'm not dead against it -- I can see that for some people it would reduce "glare" when playing the games on the site in JSBeeb.

However, I still think that in the end I prefer the plain white background, if only because it's consistent with the rest of the site. But I'm happy to be overruled on this -- though preferably by a consensus opinion, rather than a lone voice! (Don't mean to be rude to Black Background -- I'm just saying let's see what other people think before we come to a final decision.)

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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby vanekp » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:46 pm

I think it looks better with the darker background while playing, thanks.
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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby tricky » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:08 pm

Darker works for me too, but I doubt it would look as good on the rest of the site, or at least it would make the text harder to read.
I would be happy with black too, matching the beeb's screen border colour.

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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby pau1ie » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:50 pm

lurkio wrote:But perhaps you're just trying the new background out, in order to canvas other people's opinions on it?


^^^ Yes, that. It is a small change which is easy to revert. No change to code or database, so very little risk compared with some "simple" changes that have been proposed. Personally don't really have an opinion, apart from as I already said it is different from the rest of the site.

I meant to mention that Black Backgrounds suggestion of making the
Black Background wrote:make the games "full screen"
isn't supported by jsbeeb, and I don't have the expertise to change it. Anyone can raise an enhancement request, but I would guess it is unlikely to be implemented any time soon as Matt seems to be having trouble finding the time to work on it.
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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby Black Background » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:53 am

Hello again

Thanks for taking my suggestion so seriously, and actually altering the site! However, the darker background is worse unfortunately, you should revert to the white background. I feel like i've messed it up for everyone now :oops:

The reason I was inquiring about a black background is that it would make the rest of the screen "invisible" as it were...making it easier for my brain to kid itself I was in fact back playing on my old BBC Micro, and not using an online browser. It would give a sort of "complete immersion" feel.

How about you try the screen with a solid black background, and if people don't like it, go back to the original white?

Best of all would be to have a button saying "select background colour : white / grey / black". I know a lot of art websites have this option when viewing pictures online...if you click on one of these pics you'll see what I mean

https://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/bio/r ... graph.html

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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby danielj » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:02 am

Looks fine to me with the darker background :? (I can't say the white upset me either!) :D

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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby barbarossa69 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:19 am

I can't really remember what it looked like before, but I think the darker background works fine for me!

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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby pau1ie » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:48 pm

I understood the white background hurt your eyes, so assumed it was the contrast that was the problem. I think a few people liked the darker better. I didn't want to make the background black in case there are some games where you need to know where the edge of the screen is.

Anyway of those that gave an opinion, only Lurkio liked the white (Sorry), a few people liked the grey and a couple would be happy with black, so unless many people give an opinion to the contrary, I think I will leave it as it is.
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Re: Question about Complete BBC Games site

Postby Black Background » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:10 pm

Would be very interested to see it with a black background, if only for a day or two.

An option for "select background colour : white/grey/black" would be fab, but I understand that that might be a bit complicated!


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